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I could be wrong--Islamic history is not my strong suit--but I believe we might have enough Caliphs to justify a category? Turtle Fan 20:05, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

We have two in Misc. Monarchs (both from Island in the Sea) and a Sultan (not the same thing) from TL-191. There might be others that are not properly categorized but for now it doesn't look like we have enough. ML4E 22:00, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking also of Abdul Mejid--Weren't the Ottoman sultans Caliphs until their empire fell? (Again, I'm very far from an authority on such things and I don't feel like looking it up, so that might be a very stupid question.) Turtle Fan 23:39, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and if Caliphs are successors of Mohammed, couldn't the man himself count, too? Turtle Fan 23:39, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Abdul Mejid did serve as both Caliph and Sultan. So there are the minimum three. I wouldn't list Muhammad, as I think Caliphate by definition means after Muhammad. TR 00:38, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
So do we think it's a worthwhile category? Turtle Fan 16:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Looking over the list of upcoming HT projects, I don't see much growth potential. I could be wrong, of course. TR 16:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, nothing coming up that would seem remotely likely to touch on Islam at all. I guess Hitler's War might make a reference to Hitler's pet Grand Mufti but he wasn't a Caliph either, and I don't suppose HW will include him leading a successful anti-British revolt and declaring himself as such. (Hmm, there's a timeline that might have some potential somewhere along the line, though.) Turtle Fan 03:46, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Anticipation[]

Through Darkest Europe might have a big role for this.JonathanMarkoff (talk) 08:48, July 27, 2018 (UTC)

Presumptuous on your part, but I'll let it go for now. Given what we know about TDE, any caliph will probably be akin to the pope of the present: a political leader of a fairly small state who derives most of his global importance from his status as a religious shepherd to a global flock. TR (talk) 14:57, July 27, 2018 (UTC)
And now that I've actually read what was added: no, Muhammad was not a caliph. The definition of "caliphate" contemplates a successor to Muhammad that is not as exalted as the prophet. So everything about Muhammad is gone. Worrying about whether the 191 Sultans are Caliphs is unnecessary since they almost certainly were. Abdul Majid II was caliph in OTL even though he wasn't sultan. Having the sultanate survive pretty much guarantees the caliphate survives. Since they aren't called by that title, it makes most sense to simply leave it blank. TR (talk) 18:07, July 27, 2018 (UTC)

Other Caliphs[]

This section consists entirely of people who "must" have been caliph, but are never described as holding that position. I don't see much value in it. Parallelism isn't enough. TR (talk) 07:03, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. Turtle Fan (talk) 05:37, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
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