Talk:Bibliography

From Turtledove

I think we should organize the short stories by anthologies. Speaking of anthologies, we should also mention ones he's edited, like the Alternate Generals series and The First Heroes, and collections of his work, like Departures, Kaleidoscope, and Counting Up, Counting Down. Turtle Fan 07:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

So, for example: Counting Up Counting Down (collection)

• Contents:
• 1
• 2
• 3

TR 07:25, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Correct. Turtle Fan 17:20, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Good job, TR. I think it might be better still to attach short stories that appeared in anthologies HT edited to said anthologies. "The Horse of Bronze" goes with The First Heroes; I forget which Alternate Generals stories go where, or I'd do it myself. (Wasn't "The Charge of the Light Brigade" the AGI story? That's the one where Lee fights in the Crimean War, right? Damn, I actually wish Darwin were here; he was quite a fan of that story.)

I moved "Trantor Falls" to the shared universe category. It seems wrong to call Asimov's universe "shared," but in the context of Foundation's Friends, that is correct. Turtle Fan 21:05, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd forgotten to move Trantor Falls, thanks.

We can move the other stories, sure. TR 21:23, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Later tonight I'll check Amazon to remind myself of what goes where. I've still got The First Heroes around here somewhere, if I can find it; I think I lost or maybe even threw out Alternate Generals years ago. I found that one disappointing and never read the sequels. Turtle Fan 21:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

The Light Brigade story was in the first AG. TR 21:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Did Turtledove write it? Turtle Fan 21:32, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Stirling, actually. HT's contribution was "The Phantom Tolbukhin".

I never actually read AG1. Having read mixed reviews, and having the one HT story in it in another collection, I didn't see much point. TR 21:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

There's not much point, except perhaps to read the story where Joshua Chamberlain became a Reb and led the charge against Little Round Top, to find his idiot brother commanding the 20th Maine in his place. (The brother wasn't an idiot in the story, but he was in real life.) The circumstances that would make Chamberlain throw in with the Rebs were rather hard to believe, but the story was pleasant just the same. It was about the only one.

Based on the cover art and the back flap I was expecting a free-for-all anthology in which authors simply mixed and matched generals and battles at random. I thought at the time that that would have been a lot of fun, but thinking back on it now that would be really silly, wouldn't it? Turtle Fan 21:42, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Many of the negative reviews focused on two things: obscure PODs and false advertising. TR 21:44, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Both are valid points. I never bothered finding out whether the other AG volumes correct them. Turtle Fan 21:46, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I concentrated on the HT stories in the second and third volumes. The bad cover copy is gone from those. The stories I read didn't stand out, although they didn't seem that obscure. TR 21:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re TR's Recent Edits

1. Is Cuba part of Atlantis? I can't remember it ever coming up.

Again, the stories. TR 04:23, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

If I get really nostalgic for Atlantis after LA's in the books, I might track these stories down. Turtle Fan 15:04, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

2. Why are WHGTY and THTGB released "sometime in 2009"? If we want to say more than 2009, I remember offhand that they came out in March and June, respectively, and beyond that I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find the dates. Turtle Fan 00:59, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Story Dates

This makes life easier. I think I'm going to finish getting the novels squirreled away so the categories will be established, then go back and slide in the stories.

So now do we want to reevaluate our plans for the 80s? Turtle Fan 19:08, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

I think each year will have some representation, so yes, every year as a category. TR 19:45, October 28, 2009 (UTC).

Ah, here is the discussion on short story date of pub. My bad.

One other thing to consider is that the "Agent" and "Flesh" books could be viewed as collections too. We could put them there instead and have the story titles and dates listed too. I don't know how much HT changed the individual stories to make them read smoother but I suspect not much. ML4E 23:48, October 28, 2009 (UTC)